AARaaaAARrrgggGGGGHHHHHhhhhh !!! GACK!
For those of you who did not hear the sordid story..
a few weeks ago I decided to sell my motorcycle. #1, i don't ride it much anymore. #2 i'd outgrown it anyway, and kept feeling like i wanted more power
So I took it down to the shop to have a tune-up to make sure it was all running nicely for sale. I spent nearly 400$ on new brakes, a carb clean, getting the chain cleaned and oiled, new air filter. etc. etc.
I also spent 100$ on getting the seat reupholstered because it was developing a tear. So before I even sell the damn thing I'm out nearly
500$ But I'm ok with this because I'll make it back selling it.
Then I put an ad out on CL. And this little japanese girl contacts me to buy it. She comes over, loves it, and wants to ride it home. But I can totally tell as she's doing practice runs around the block that she's not comfortable on it yet. She told me that she is a new rider who just took the motorcycle training course. You don't even get to go past 2nd gear in that course. And you certainly don't get to ride on actual streets. So there was no way that I was going to let her ride this thing across town.
I mean, I just met her, but I certainly didn't want her to get turned into road jam on the way home.
I offered to ride it to her place for her if I could get a ride back to my house. She gratefully accepted.
But ON THE WAY there.. like 1 exit away on the freeway as soon as I got going over 65mph the bike starts spewing oil! So I exit and park in a Mcdonalds parking lot, while my bike is still spilling oil like mad. I decide that I'd better take it back to my mechanic, that I'd just gotten the bike back from like 2 weeks previous to see if he messed up somehow etc. Maybe he left a hose loose or something?
So I bring it back the next day and the mechanic says that it's a seal leaking and it has nothing to do with the work that he'd previously done.
So I pay him ANOTHER 175$ to fix it. Then the following day I meet up with the japanese girl again who follows me in her car to her house. The bike sounds perfect, purring like a kitten. It sounds better than I've ever heard it before.
But THEN the next day (today) the girl writes me to say that the bike won't start!!! WHAT THE FUCK! she told me she had 2 other riders check it out and it definitely won't start. It doesn't have anything to do with the battery because the lights come on when she turns it on.
Now my question is what are the chances that a motorcycle would have 2 major problems in the span of 2 days???!! I'm starting to think that the mechanic is sabotoging my bike, but I don't know anything about motorcycle repair, or engines or the like so I don't know. Anybody have any thoughts???
For those of you who did not hear the sordid story..
a few weeks ago I decided to sell my motorcycle. #1, i don't ride it much anymore. #2 i'd outgrown it anyway, and kept feeling like i wanted more power
So I took it down to the shop to have a tune-up to make sure it was all running nicely for sale. I spent nearly 400$ on new brakes, a carb clean, getting the chain cleaned and oiled, new air filter. etc. etc.
I also spent 100$ on getting the seat reupholstered because it was developing a tear. So before I even sell the damn thing I'm out nearly
500$ But I'm ok with this because I'll make it back selling it.
Then I put an ad out on CL. And this little japanese girl contacts me to buy it. She comes over, loves it, and wants to ride it home. But I can totally tell as she's doing practice runs around the block that she's not comfortable on it yet. She told me that she is a new rider who just took the motorcycle training course. You don't even get to go past 2nd gear in that course. And you certainly don't get to ride on actual streets. So there was no way that I was going to let her ride this thing across town.
I mean, I just met her, but I certainly didn't want her to get turned into road jam on the way home.
I offered to ride it to her place for her if I could get a ride back to my house. She gratefully accepted.
But ON THE WAY there.. like 1 exit away on the freeway as soon as I got going over 65mph the bike starts spewing oil! So I exit and park in a Mcdonalds parking lot, while my bike is still spilling oil like mad. I decide that I'd better take it back to my mechanic, that I'd just gotten the bike back from like 2 weeks previous to see if he messed up somehow etc. Maybe he left a hose loose or something?
So I bring it back the next day and the mechanic says that it's a seal leaking and it has nothing to do with the work that he'd previously done.
So I pay him ANOTHER 175$ to fix it. Then the following day I meet up with the japanese girl again who follows me in her car to her house. The bike sounds perfect, purring like a kitten. It sounds better than I've ever heard it before.
But THEN the next day (today) the girl writes me to say that the bike won't start!!! WHAT THE FUCK! she told me she had 2 other riders check it out and it definitely won't start. It doesn't have anything to do with the battery because the lights come on when she turns it on.
Now my question is what are the chances that a motorcycle would have 2 major problems in the span of 2 days???!! I'm starting to think that the mechanic is sabotoging my bike, but I don't know anything about motorcycle repair, or engines or the like so I don't know. Anybody have any thoughts???
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I had a Honda CB-1. I took it in for repair, rode it home (ran fine) and the next time (within days) I rode it, it broke down and left me stranded. So yes, that can happen. It was part that failed because of an existing problem that my mechanic did not fix. He was able to warranty the original part he put in and give me a credit back towards the new repair.
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This is so f***ed up! Question #1 - What kind of bike? What year, etc? THAT can tell a lot of what *might* be wrong.
IF... you think the mechanic is sleazy or incompetent (oh man, working in bike shops I could tell you some horror stories about bike mechanics, testosterone, and f**k-ups) get a second opinion. Or a 3rd. DO NOT take it back to this cat if your gut is telling you there's something wrong.
OK. Breaking it all down... The oil thing? Is it related? I dunno. Sounds to me like either the bike hadn't been ridden in a loooooong time and the seals were dried out (OK if it's a '67 Triumph, not OK if it's a '98 Honda) or something clogged the breather or the breather valve stuck, pressurizing the crankcase and popping a seal (Common on newer bikes where you have flap valves and PCV and other stuph) or - this is the usual cause of blown seals - overfilling the crankcase with oil. Question I'd ask - Which seal? Followed by "Let me see the bad one."
No start? Hmmm... there could be a lot of things causing that. Tons. From a bad electronic component (new bikes) or collapsed points (older bikes) to rust in the gas tank shaking loose and clogging the carb to a wire on the cutoff switch coming loose to a coil going bad to... Yeah. Buncha possibilities. Or the obvious... Gas on? Gas in the tank? Kill switch on? Wire came loose? How about the vacuum hose that runs the automatic-on gas valve? Is there a trick you know about she doesn't to starting *that* bike?
There's not that much that can keep a bike from running. Serious. What you need is someone you can TRUST to look at this thing, figure out what's wrong with it. Since it ran then died, it tells me... something. Without seeing the bike, it tells me that it needs to be looked at.
There is another thing, tho... once the bike is sold, it's not your responsibility. I know that sounds cold and cruel and f***ed up, but seriously - I have sold (and bought) bikes that something messes up on within days of the sale. Was I taken? Was I intending to scam the buyer? No, it's just the motorcycle Gods telling the new owner to LOOK at the bike, learn it, and become one with it. See My Rule #2 below.
Susanne's rule #2. Learn how to care for the ass which bears yours. (Rule #1 has to do with mixing Cheap Bourbon, Red Wine, and Vodka, and isn't too relevant here;) ) Take a motorcycle maintenance and repair class at your local JC, or hire a decent mechanic to teach you the bare bones basics so you DON'T get taken. Along with this is the Rule 2 Axiom - Know your bike well enough so if someone other than you works on it (bad idea) if they screw something up bad, you tan take the Axe to them.
The given? If YOU learn how to work on your bike, and YOU become your own mechanic, YOU will know it's put together RIGHT, fixed RIGHT, and don't have to wonder if some mechanic is out to take you to the bank for his idiot child work. Plus, you save money, and feel a hell of a lot more confident in your machine, and can know when someone is trying to BS you about bike stuff (amazing the shit you hear!!) on rides and runs. ADDED BONUS - When people find out you can turn a wrench, you gain extra hutzpah points for being cool.
Back to this fiasco. What I would do, seriously, is find a new mechanic, have *them* look over the bike, and negotiate with the bike's owner (meaning not me - or in this case you) to pay for getting it running. When you take it to the new mechanic, tell her (or him) WHAT was done and by whom, so they can start looking there. You may even decide to pay for this repair... but GET THE NEW OWNER INVOLVED. Then... walk away. Te bike is HERS, good parts and bad. Once it runs again, it's her responsibility.
I just looked - if you were up here in norcal instead of the southland I'd even look at this thing for you. But hell, there's a TON of bike shops down there. I'd even )gulp!( consider having a dealer work on it - this once. but the important thing is to TAKE LESSONS so you know (a) an idiot who worked on your bike knew what they were doing, and (b) you can fix it yourself, taking the idiot out of the equation. Get someone to show you what to look for, and take charge of your bike... so it will take care of you!!!
Hugz,
Sus
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WOW - Thanks Sus! Good lord that is a lot of information. I'll bear it in mind when i go check out the bike today. The new owner wants me to come over to look at it and see if maybe she's just doing something wrong. I hope that this is the case, but she swears she's had 2 other bikers look at it and they couldn't figure out how to get it started either. I know it's not the gas because it had at least 3/4 of a tank when I left it with her. It's a 99' Honda Rebel 250 by the way. It was my first bike, but i've had it almost 5 years and i've totally outgrown it.
If the bike doesn't start like she says, then I have no choice but to have it towed to a shop - that by itself is pretty expensive. I'm probably going to pay for part of the repair, but not all of it. She did get brand new brakes, a brand new oil filter, brand new seat, and a newly oiled and cleaned chain, so I feel like she's already getting so much more than she paid for.
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